Posts by Trevor Scott

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Doctrinal ramifications of large increase in 2008 memorial partakers?

by yadda yadda 2 in

the nearly 10% increase in partakers at the memorial in the 2008 annual service report is a huge increase.

there were increases in the previous years too.. this massive increase is no doubt attributeable to the 'new light' this year that the calling of the 'heavenly class' was not closed in 1935, as previously taught.

the new understanding this year is that the calling of the 'anointed' class is 'evidently' still open.

Trevor Scott

I don't know why they even publish the correct numbers. Why not just give a bogus number that makes it look like everything is proceeding according to prophecy?

But how long can they continue to publish an artificial decrease? Those who were teenagers in 1935 are now around 90 years old...

I personally don't believe the Society is publishing the correct numbers even now. This is a liar organization, it's been proven again and again. I think the (artificial) increase is just a way for the Society to drop the 1935 heavenly calling cutoff doctrine. The "1935 generation" has been stretched about as thinly as the "1914 generation" was when they dumped that. By publishing an increase, the Society can point to it as "evidence" that the heavenly calling did not end in 1935 as previously thought:

*** w07 5/1 p. 31 Questions From Readers ***

as time has gone by, some Christians baptized after 1935 have had witness borne to them that they have the heavenly hope. (Romans 8:16, 17) Thus, it appears that we cannot set a specific date for when the calling of Christians to the heavenly hope ends.

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Learn how I awakened at Gilead.. next in my video series

by Awakened at Gilead in

my awakening was gradual, but first took place upon arriving at gilead school... see details in this video.... .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgj5dztbleq.

i've addressed some of the concerns and feedback from my first video... no more star wars lettering, lol....

Trevor Scott

Awesome job again. Again, I love the cliff hanger at the end. It makes me want to tune in to the next one,

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Doctrinal ramifications of large increase in 2008 memorial partakers?

by yadda yadda 2 in

the nearly 10% increase in partakers at the memorial in the 2008 annual service report is a huge increase.

there were increases in the previous years too.. this massive increase is no doubt attributeable to the 'new light' this year that the calling of the 'heavenly class' was not closed in 1935, as previously taught.

the new understanding this year is that the calling of the 'anointed' class is 'evidently' still open.

Trevor Scott

I personally doubt the validity of the figures reported by the WTS in the first place. In my opinion, if the Society is printing an increase in the number of memorial partakers it's because they want the rank and file to believe there is an increase. Whether or not there has been an actual increase in the number of partakers is of no consequence.

My take..... Despite the fact that WT leaders continue to proclaim the imminent end of the world, they don't really believe it's coming. These men are business men, and they have a business to run. Decreasing figures are more problematic for the Watchtower Society in the long run than increasing figures. If the number of partakers was to continue decreasing, as it should have according to established Watchtower doctrine, it would eventually reach zero. What then? What happens when there are no more "anointed" and the end still hasn't come? Not to mention, who runs the WTS when the FDS class is gone.

The WTS needed an out from their 1935 cutoff date, and the published increase of partakers has provided that. The 1935 date could have become as embarrassing as the 1914 date, given the fact that those who were teenagers in 1935 are about 90 years old today.....

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I am starting a new video series: Ex-Gilead Missionary

by Awakened at Gilead in

i have been debating on how best to get the word out about jws and the wts... i have thought about blogs... but i just can't get myself to create the blog... and my youtube videos that i colaborated on with v have been successful on youtube... i have received many comments, and some inquiries from active jws based on the video.

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i have created an introductory video that will give some background and you can see my style... i am also looking for constructive feedback... at the moment i am using windows movie maker, so the graphics are pretty cruddy, i apologize... if you know of a cheap or free movie editor that would be great.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtdmkgfxml4.

Trevor Scott

nice cliff hanger at the end!

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Golden Age = In Paradise we will fly around like Superman!!! Cool!!

by Witness 007 in

gold.

age aug 25 1926 p.751 "negative gravitation...you may have wondered how accidents will be avioded in christs kingdom, since we are told nothing will hurt or destroy.

scientists tell us there is enough atomic energy in one finger-nail to propell a battleship.

Trevor Scott

Awesome!

Does anyone know whether PDFs of Golden Age are available on the Net? I've managed to track down all of ZWT, but I've only found a couple Golden Age..

Trevor.

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1914 is on my WTCD 6398 times...but do they still use it now?

by oompa in

jw
friends

i rarely reat the mags anymore, and do not know how to get this cd to search only current wt's.....is that even possible?

i also have only been to one meeting in two years, and i did not hear it then either....is it used in talks anymore?......this date will go the same way of all their other dates.....in the trash.........oompa

Trevor Scott

oompa,

With the 2007 CD you can filter the results after doing your search. So do your search in All Publications, then select "Watchtower" in the filter list. I'll attach a pic.

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1914 is on my WTCD 6398 times...but do they still use it now?

by oompa in

jw
friends

i rarely reat the mags anymore, and do not know how to get this cd to search only current wt's.....is that even possible?

i also have only been to one meeting in two years, and i did not hear it then either....is it used in talks anymore?......this date will go the same way of all their other dates.....in the trash.........oompa

Trevor Scott

I did a search for "1914" using the 2007 CD; I only searched the Watchtower mags. I sorted by year and counted the totals for each year from 1978-2007.

Frequency peaked in 1984 at 178 occurrences. Compare with 17 occurrences last year.

In the 13 years prior to 1995, "1914" occurs 1027 times. In the 13 years including and following 1995, only 356 occurrences......

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Why the hey did we not WALK away in 1995?? the gen. thing

by oompa in

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friends

i remember arguing with a bethel elder friend of mine during a long ride to an assembly about the"new light" in 1995....that the generation of 1914 is not the "this generation" that jesus referred to: .

(luke21:32)32 truly i say to you, this generation will by no means pass away until all things occur.

yep....pretty damm simple to me for 45 years...the generation that sees all the "signs" will not die before armageddon....thus we honest hearted ones pleaded with our back calls, or return visits to study with us before it is too late!....the time is soooo short, cause these 1914 folk are gettin damm old!....hurry in and be saved!.

Trevor Scott

I had been expecting a disconnect between 1914 and "this generation" for several years prior to 1995, so when it happened I wasn't surprised. What did surprise me was how all the Witnesses I knew simply took it in stride. Just more "food at the proper time"...

The 1914 generation teaching had been so core to the belief system, I had expected that even diehard dubs would be shocked awake by this change. I remember chuckling as I read the magazine thinking that the WTS had really shot themselves in the foot this time.

The fact that there was no mass exodus demonstrates just how powerful the mind control of this religion is.

At the time of the change, I reminded any JW who would listen that they had carried the FALSE "1914 generation" teaching to people as GOD'S PROMISE and GOD'S PROPHETIC WORD:

"Jehovah's prophetic word through Jesus Christ is: 'This generation [of 1914] will by no means pass away until all things occur.' (Luke 21:32) And Jehovah, who is the source of inspired and unfailing prophecy, will bring about the fulfillment." --WT, 5/15/1984, p 6-7 (note: "[of 1914]" is in the original).
"Most important, this magazine builds confidence in the Creator's promise of a peaceful and secure new world before the generation that saw the events of 1914 passes away." --Awake! 1/1/1995, p 2.

The WTS had effectively made liars of Jehovah and every JW knew it. The fact that this does not bother the Witnesses is proof conclusive that their loyalty is to the WATCHTOWER SOCIETY and not to God.

Trevor.

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Keith Macgregor

by mouthy in

jw
friends

is needing your prayers ,good wishes, karma,he has had a heart attack.. if you have ever used macgregor ministries, he is lori's husband .

Trevor Scott

Wow. So sorry to hear this. I met Keith once a few years ago when I was more active in the xjw movement. He is an exceptional person, as is Lori. Please give them both my best.

Trevor Scott.

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Defence of watchtower society Links

by reniaa in

i thought long and hard before making this thread, that many will not agree with it but i think there needs to be balance and people to realise there are alternate viewpoints out there on many of these subjects, the ones that are most spoke about on this forum.

i was recently sent a full message containing mary's book and these links give the rebuttal to many of her points.

those that are still open-minded enough feel free to look over them even if in the end you still don't agree at least you have heard both the defence as well as the attack as they are on the internet.

Trevor Scott

reniaa,

To those who are experienced in dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses, it is clear that you are avoiding topics and not persons.

It's obvious at this point that you are comfortable following liars and false prophets. You probably reason that 'since they are Jehovah's Organization (tm), it's ok that they lie and falsely prophecy', all the while failing to recognize that it is those very lies and false prophecies that prove conclusively that they are not and can not possibly be God's organization.

Such reasoning is known as 'circular reasoning', by the way, and it's a logical fallacy employed on a consistent basis by the WTS.

All the best to you reniaa. You've demonstrated that you can not or will not respond to the 'hard questions' so I see no point in continuing with this discussion. I do hope that you come to terms with the true nature of the organization you are following. But, well, I won't hold my breath. :)

TS,